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  • Avatar Image wonkotsane13p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    Some of you may have already seen this on my blog. Orange have finally admitted that their network is congested, can’t cope with demand and isn’t going to be fixed any time soon. They’re hoping that merging the Orange and T-Mobile networks will sort it but the networks people aren’t convinced.

    Here’s what I wrote the other day …

    For the last few months the service I’ve been getting on my Orange mobile phone has been getting progressively worse.

    A few months ago I couldn’t make phone calls at all for about half a day and nor could I receive any. #1 son’s phone was the same, so was Mrs Sane’s and so was the work phone I had – all on Orange. All the phones had a full signal but they wouldn’t make or receive calls.

    I called Orange off my landline (an expensive call) and they couldn’t tell me what the problem was. The work phone came back on before our personal phones – to be expected, they use QoS on their network. But this was the first indication that something was going seriously wrong with Orange’s mobile phone network.

    Since that time, the service has become increasingly poor. When trying to make outgoing calls I would often get connection errors, network busy messages or just simply timing out without making the call or displaying any errors. This could happen with a poor single or with a full 2.5G signal. I took Orange’s advice to change the phone from 3G to 2G temporarily and this improved the service greatly but I use a lot of data so it wasn’t a proper answer to the problem and when it started happening even with 2G manually selected, I decided enough was enough.

    Over the past few months I have spent hours on the phone with Orange trying to get to the bottom of this problem. Several times I told them that if they couldn’t fix the problem it was fine but that I expected them to end the contract early so I could change to another provider. That’s pretty much where the sympathy ended and I had some interesting conversations with people at Orange about this. During one call I was told that there was no real difference between 2G and 3G data connections – in reality it’s between 1.8mbit/sec and 3.6mbit/sec, depending on the state of the network where you are. On another call I was told that it was impossible for Orange to cancel my contract early and when I pointed out many times that the terms and conditions they continuously quoted at me as an excuse to keep taking my money without providing the service I was paying for said that they could, in fact, cancel my contract whenever they wanted for whatever reason they wanted, the woman hung up on me.

    The problems happened mainly in busy built up areas, generally not rural or sparsely populated areas. It also generally happened during the day, not at night. I’m not a mobile phone network engineer but I’m a pretty techy person (alright, I’m a geek) and over the last few years I’ve gained quite a lot of knowledge and experience of networks and communications infrastructure. To me the cause of the problem was pretty obvious – not enough capacity – but trying to get someone at Orange to admit that their network wasn’t able to cope with demand was a seemingly impossible task.

    But it wasn’t impossible because, with the help of a couple of nice men from Orange’s off-shore call centre in India, I managed to get a call escalated to Orange’s networks department and on Saturday a very helpful man from Orange called me, discussed my problems and agreed that it was lack of capacity on the network and that it couldn’t be fixed. He agreed that the iPhone was the trigger that has brought the network to its knees just as it has done with O2 and said that it may get better when they start merging their network with T-Mobile in a year’s time but they just don’t know at the moment.

    It was a refreshingly honest admission from Orange and they agreed to end my contract immediately, allowing me to change providers. Co-incidentally, there was an announcement on our company intranet today that Orange have come clean to my employer about their network problems and staff are even being offered second phones on a different network by the company where problems are particularly bad. It may just be a co-incidence but could my call on Saturday have been the trigger for an open admission by Orange that their network is basically buggered?

  • Avatar Image Andy Smith22p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    Interesting post. I’m on Orange and haven’t had any issues with connections. In fact, I prefer using 3..5g to the free WiFi at McDonalds.

  • Avatar Image wonkotsane13p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    Are you on a business contract? I noticed that my work phone would work when mine didn’t and if they both wouldn’t work, the company one started working before my own. Orange hav QoS on their network.

  • Avatar Image Chris3p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    We’re on a business contract with Orange and I’ve noticed on occasion where it simply doesn’t work – including parts of London and major built up areas.

    I heard today that Orange will be combining the T-Mobile network with theirs, lets hope it makes a difference otherwise we’ll be changing networks come renewal.

  • Avatar Image Andy Smith22p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    No, personal contract. I think T-Mobile (my previous carrier) subscribers are also hoping for an improvement in service. I fear we’re all going to be disappointed!

  • Avatar Image wonkotsane13p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    the networks guy I spoke to said it’s going to be a year before they merge the networks and they’re hoping but aren’t convinced that it will make things better.

  • Avatar Image owdjockey1p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    I’ve been on Orange for over ten years now and quite frankly the network is now crap compared to what it used to be. Where I live I have always had a full 5 bar signal but I am now finding that it will die to nothing, quite frequently and stay down for ages. I lose more calls than ever and find people having to leave me answer phone messages, even when I’m in a good signal area and I also find myself in poor signal areas far more than I ever used to. I’ve just started using Virgin Mobile and find their signal levels to be just as good or better than Orange, in most areas of Telford.

  • Avatar Image themobilebarber3p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    [I’ve just started using Virgin Mobile and find their signal levels to be just as good or better than Orange, in most areas of Telford.]

    Do you mean that Virgin Mobile signal levels are as good as Orange used to be or only as good as Orange is now?

    I’ve been with Orange for many years myself and I have also recently had the same problems that you have had.

    I receive a lot of calls but I don’t make all them many, so I’m on Pay As You Go using the Racoon package which means I get charged 15p a minute for calls and 10p for texts which I think is OK (I don’t need to access the internet on my phone I can wait until I get home for that) so I’m reluctant to change companies, but nobody puts up with bad service for too long.

  • Avatar Image owdjockey1p said 1 month, 1 week ago:

    “Do you mean that Virgin Mobile signal levels are as good as Orange used to be or only as good as Orange is now?”

    Well I’m comparing two phones together as I work around telford and the surrounding areas.
    The signal on the virgin phone seems to be as strong or slightly stronger than the Orange phone at the moment in most areas. I don’t dial out as much on the virgin phone as the orange because the orange has more free mins on the existing contract but all the calls I have received on the Virgin, seem clear and I can’t remember having any/many drop out (only been on vigin for a month and testing it out. Diverts are free to the virgin mobile from my virgin landline)

    The virgin is a 3G phone though which the orange isnt and I have been told by a friend that the 3g phones are better in week signal areas but I don’t know how true that is.

  • Avatar Image wonkotsane13p said 1 month ago:

    Orange’s problem isn’t with coverage, it’s with capacity. The “front end” (ie. the masts) is ok, you will rarely find yourself without a signal. The “back end” (ie. the connection from the masts to exchanges and the equipment in the exchanges) is the problem. Virgin uses T-Mobile’s network which doesn’t really suffer from capacity problems as their network is scaled higher than it needs to be for the relatively pitiful number of users they have. T-Mobile is good in Wales and London.

    The problems you’re having @owdjockey are the same as I was. Same history as well.